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If People Say Marriage is Hard Work, Here’s What They Don’t Know

A lot of people say marriage hard. What if marriage is easy and you're facing something else?

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A lot of people say marriage is hard work. But what if it’s not? What if healthy marriage is easy and what you’re going through is something else?

What if Marriage is Only Hard When…

The so-called “hard work” of marriage may stem from unforeseen external circumstances, like health challenges, financial strain, or extended family issues for a short period. If your marriage is hard work, all of the time, it may be due to unseen harm inflicted by your husband through emotional, psychological, or spiritual abuse. It’s often difficult to see that his behavior is manipulative or coercive. Take our free emotional abuse quiz to find out.

And what’s worse, when we try to get help by going to couple therapy, or maybe clergy, or even friends and family, they don’t help. They often just say what everybody else does – “marriage is hard work.” If you need live support, attend a Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group Session today.

Because we’re kind and empathetic, of course, we’re going to give our husband the benefit of the doubt, reframing what’s going on. We may say, “he’s just stressed” or “having a bad day.”

We may also blame ourselves for not being able to make our relationship work (I know I did), not realizing that his exploitative character doomed the “relationship” from the start. So let’s find out if this is going on in your relationship.

is Marriage Really That Hard
What if Emotional Abuse is Hidden

Does the Hard Work of Marriage Involve these 6 things?

If the hard work you’re talking about involves these 6 things, it’s likely there’s something else going on:

  1. Confusion
  2. Going For Help (Over and Over)
  3. The Wrong “Diagnosis” (Several Times)
  4. Despair
  5. Abuse Education
  6. Making Your Way To Emotional Safety

Here’s how these 6 things will show up if what you’re going through isn’t just the “hard work” of marriage.

People Say Marriage is a Hard Work

Transcript: If People Say Marriage is a Hard Work, Here’s What They Don’t Know

Anne: All the abuse I talk about in Betrayal Trauma Recovery is hidden.

The Betrayal Trauma Recovery Community is a community for women who trying to figure out how to improve their marriage.

1. Is Confusion Part of the Hard Work of Marriage?

[Women know when something is wrong. We often don’t know what the issue is if there are cycles of confusion.] We resist by trying to figure out what’s going on. Most victims blame themselves or believe marriage is hard work.

So, we try harder to improve our safety by learning to communicate better, believing the issue lies with us, especially if our husband says so. At first, we trust him without question. We believe that being a better wife or more patient will make things better. We convince ourselves that changing our behavior will fix the situation. Later, we realize the “hard work” involves trusting a man who doesnโ€™t deserve our trust.

Falling in Love is Easy Marriage is Hard

Because we lack education or terminology to describe what’s happening when we talk to our friends, our friends might say, “oh, did you hear about the personality types?” [They give us basic relationship advice, or even just healthy living advice, because they don’t see the patterns or understand the dynamics. Even if marriage is hard work, it shouldn’t involve ongoing patterns of confusion.]

2. IF Marriage is Hard Work, Does It Mean searching for expert Help Over and Over Again?

If your marriage is causing you to keep trying to find the right help, that’s not just “hard work”. Victims are smart. We can tell when we need help, and we can tell when we’re in over our heads.

So consider this analogy. Let’s pretend like you’re in a college writing class. You write what you think is an incredible paper. You turn it in and you get a C.

My Marriage is Hard Work
Hidden Emotional Abuse Leaves No Scars

If you’re a smart person, you’re not afraid of hard work. So you say, “There’s apparently more for me to know. I’ll go get help from the expert, my writing professor.”

You’re willing to trust them more than yourself at this moment, because they’re the writing expert. In this situation, a smart person would say to themselves, “I understand that my perception of my own writing may not be accurate. I’m actually not an expert writer, and my professor is. Plus, I’m not afraid of hard work. I’m willing to put in the effort to learn what I did wrong and improve it.”

Analogy of the Writing Class

Contrast that with a student who gets a C on a paper and thinks, “my writing professor is dumb. I know more than her.” Their writing isn’t going to improve much, and people probably think they’re delusional. I was a writing teacher for a time, and I had those two different types of students.

Does It Make A Difference If It's Covert Or Overt Emotional Abuse?

Some students thought their writing was incredible. But it was just bad, and I was thinking, wow, their perception and reality are two different things. The smart students were like, “Oh, I can see what you’re saying. I will add some paragraphs and they would improve over time.”

[So when marriage is hard work, and we realize we’re in over their heads, we go to couple therapy, or clergy, or we talk to family and friends.] We think, “Even though this doesn’t feel right to me, maybe I’m not seeing it accurately.”

Who is Willing To learn and to do the hard work?

Victims of abuse are often willing to try it differently, or willing to accept that marriage is hard work, and do what the couple therapist says, hoping it will get easier. [When things get worse and worse, and they can’t figure out why, they’ll try another professional or method, hoping to resolve the issues in the marriage.]

The reason why things are getting worse is because when victims go for help to a couple therapist or clergy, or even addiction recovery programs, they’re not getting help from the abuse professor. In this case, it’s like getting writing help from an expert acrobat who knows nothing about writing. Sure, they’re an expert Acrobat, but you don’t need help with your acrobatics.

You need help with your writing skills. So in this case, you’re not delusional when you go to a therapist. They are like, “oh, well, do you understand his needs? Can you be safer with him? Because maybe he feels unsafe. So how could you make him feel safer?” Or maybe they suggest using explicit content because you’re not meeting his needs.

Because abuse victims are smart, capable, and resourced, they’re constantly asking who can help me figure this out. You did your part, you’re a victim of abuse. You went for help. The problem is, the professionals who were supposed to help don’t know about abuse.

They’re not abuse experts.

3. Do you need a “Diagnosis” if marriage is hard work?

[If your marriage is hard work and you’ve been searching for help, your search may have resulted in incorrect diagnosis after incorrect diagnosis of the problem. You may have been told your husband is an addict, or he has a personality disorder, or he’s struggling from his traumatic childhood.]

Maybe he has “anger management issues.”

So once you get this “diagnosis” from a therapist who is not an expert in abuse, you’re going to get treatment for that particular “diagnosis”.” Then, you may do a year or two of treatment, maybe it’s addiction treatment, or treatment for his traumatic childhood.

What Stage of Marriage is the Hardest

A year or two down the line, when things haven’t improved, you try a different therapist, and get a new diagnosis. And you’re like, “oh, that’s what it is”.” And then you get treatment for that for a few years.

Many women in our community have experienced this pattern. I did this for seven years. First it was anger management, from his traumatic childhood, and then, he was an addict. We saw CSAT therapists. Then, another therapist suggested he had bipolar disorder.

Marriage and Family Therapy Limitations

[One of the reasons we see this pattern so often is that marriage and family therapists’ professional code of conduct or ethics restricts them from taking a side.] The foundational theory for marriage and family therapy is family systems. In family systems, everybody has a part to play. Everyone has to shift a little bit to improve the situation. So it’s a it takes two to tango model.

It does not take two to ruin the tango. It only takes one person to ruin the tango. There’s also no official diagnosis of “abuser” in the DSM. So, if anybody goes into a therapist, they won’t get diagnosed as such. Many times the victims will be diagnosed, maybe as codependent.

They might even say, “Well, you’re abusive too, because you yelled at him and you shouldn’t have done that.”

Instead of saying, “Hey, you were trying to get to safety any way you could. Way to go. Resisting abuse is always good. How can I help you do it more effectively?”

They’re never going to do that in front of the abuser. They shouldn’t. But this creates a cocktail of problems.

If marriage is hard work – who is doing the work?

I have a master’s degree, and I tried so hard to figure out what was going on.

I was confused and knew I needed help. So I went for help. I wasn’t afraid to work hard for my marriage. And due to going for help, I got my ex to start addiction recovery therapy for seven years. I’d been trying to get help the entire time, and no one ever mentioned abuse, but so many other victims have the same experience.

I found myself for a long time, chasing down incorrect diagnosis after incorrect diagnosis. If your marriage is hard work, it should not include going to therapy for years and years, without change. It could be that you go to family and friends and they say, “Oh, he’s just really stressed.” And that’s the “diagnosis.”

So maybe if you reduce his stress, then he’d be doing better. It doesn’t have to necessarily be coming from therapy. I probably went to over seven therapists. Five or six bishops, which is the clergy in my faith.

It’s shocking that people can go for help, want help, and be perfectly willing to see the truth. Yet, they still can’t figure out what’s going on.

When Couple Therapy creates More Hard Work

So many women in our community have been in couple therapy for years, 5 years, 10 years, addiction recovery for years. Some other type of therapy and the word abuse never came up. That is a serious, serious problem. Instead, they have an incorrect diagnosis and started an incorrect treatment.

Why is It Hard to Make the Marriage Work

When I started podcasting, my goal was to help women avoid this. If I can get to them sooner and let them know. Then they won’t have to spend years and years in couple therapy or addiction recovery, they can just start making their way to safety right now.

But I often think I’m somehow split into two different people. I have my current self now, podcasting, and myself back then. If I found my own podcast back then, I might not have listened. I would be like, “Wow, that’s extreme. He’s not abusive.” This therapist tells me that he “just has an addiction” and “our marriage will be better than ever, if we do his treatment program”.

I’m not going to listen to her podcast, because that seems too extreme. Then I do a couple therapy, addiction recovery therapy, or whatever else for a few years. Before I came to the conclusion that I already came to, and then I’d be like, “That Anne at BTR.ORG knows what she’s talking about. If I’d only listened to her.”

Be Patient With Yourself As You Figure Out why your marriage is hard work

I just don’t think I could have circumvented seeking help and going through those incorrect diagnosis stages. I don’t know if anyone can, because other people offer an alternative, then, wouldn’t you want to try that first?

That’s what I thought back then. [Now I’m like, you’re going to go through a lot more pain if you don’t have good strategies, like the ones I teach in The Living Free Workshop here at BTR. The sooner women start using these strategies, the quicker things will change for them.]

Also, if he’s the type of abuser who responds to the strategy by realizing he needs to change, that’s the best case scenario. Some men have realized that. It’s the best bet for your safety.

But in terms of addiction recovery or couple therapy, it’s stunning to me that this entire industry asks abuse victims to calm down and work with an emotional and psychological abuser.

And that’s industry standard for a couple therapy. It’s an industry standard for addiction therapy. And it should never happen in an abuse situation. It’s unethical. And that they don’t see it for the actual abuse situation that it is, is shocking to me.

If you described these behaviors to any domestic violence shelter, they would say, “This is abuse.” And so the whole therapeutic process or treatment process ends up traumatizing the victim, and they’re way more traumatized than they would have been otherwise.

Suggesting A Victim Stays In Proximity To A Man Who is Hurting Her Is Unethical

Any therapist or clergy who suggests a victim needs to be in proximity to an abuser in order to heal is doing something unethical.

It happens a lot with addiction recovery therapy. It happens a lot in the faith-based community, where divorce is the worst case scenario. They don’t realize that a woman being abused is the worst case scenario.

Then also in couple therapy or addiction recovery, the abuser lies throughout the whole thing to gain sympathy to have a rapport with the therapist or clergy. So they can’t see him clearly either, because he manipulates the therapist, the clergy and people around him.

4. Does the Hard Work of Marriage Involve Despair?

[Many victims of this cycle feel trapped and like giving up, because their marriage is hard work even after they’ve tried and tried to get help.]

They think maybe it is me, maybe I am the terrible one, maybe I am too controlling or I don’t respect him. Or I expect too much from him. Despair sets in when they feel experts led them astray, and this is not their fault because they were smart and amazing. They went for help, because that’s what smart people do. They were resisting abuse the best way they can.

So this despair is like the dark before the dawn.

5. If marriage is hard work, should I educate Him about Abuse?

[If your marriage is hard work, and you’ve been learning about abuse, maybe from my podcast, or somewhere else, and you’re thinking about educating or confronting your husband, you’re not alone.]

[When women learn about abuse, they often resist by confronting their husbands and trying to educate him about it, hoping he’ll change because he doesn’t want to be abusive.]

The problem with Confronting Abusers

[The problem with confronting your husband or trying to educate him about abuse is that he already knows that the behavior works for him and he chooses to do it.] He’s perfectly capable of not acting like this, because you’ve seen [him do it with other people and when he’s grooming.]

He knows what he’s doing. [He loves is when you believe marriage is hard work, and you’re working so hard to save the marriage.] Because you don’t know what he’s doing, and the therapists don’t know what he’s doing, [it gives him time to learn how to manipulate you and them into continuing the work. For this reason,] I don’t recommend many men’s programs anymore, because I found the abuser uses all the words they learn to continue to manipulate.

So many men’s program therapists are manipulated by the abuser. Getting educated about abuse can be bittersweet.

The truth about why your marriage is hard work may set you free

You’re likely to be more traumatized when you’ve been doing the hard work for your marriage, and you’ve been thwarted every step of the way. It’s also more traumatizing when you’re like, now I know it’s abuse. Okay, I’m going to tell him it’s abuse, I’m going to tell the clergy it’s abuse. I’m going to tell the therapist it’s abuse. And you tell them, and then it doesn’t help either.

The good part about this: you finally know 100% in your heart and in your soul that it’s not you. Things really start to make sense. You can face reality head on because you can see it.

This happened to me. When the domestic violence shelter suggested I educate myself about abuse. I was like, I’m not going to read that book because I kinda don’t want to know. Because I was there, I assume many other women are there, because there’s no silver lining to abuse. It’s all bad. There’s no good news when it comes to abuse.

However, I feel confident that abuse education does not create abuse out of nowhere. [When your marriage is hard work, and you’re trying to improve things by getting educated, you’re not going to think he’s emotionally abusive, if he’s not.]

A few times where I said to a woman, “oh, that sounds like abuse. Read this book.” And she read it, and listens to the podcast, and she is like, “I didn’t relate to any of those stories. That’s not my experience.” I’m like, “congratulations, it’s not abuse.”

If You Are In A Safe Relationship, Learning About Hidden Abuse Won’t Create It

So just like getting your blood drawn is not going to give you cancer. If your situation doesn’t fit, it’s going to be obvious that it just doesn’t fit.

Reading a book or listening to a podcast, and educating yourself about abuse, is like getting lab work for cancer. If you don’t have it, great! Or, you know, you have it.

Abuse has clear and defining characteristics. Educate yourself about abuse, and youโ€™ll know whether he is abusive, or not. I wish everyone whose marriage is hard work would start learning about abuse and identify it from the start.

Part of abuse education is coming to understand the intense harm we’ve suffered. It’s so painful to recognize. [Learning about his lies, deceit, and addiction was traumatizing, but it got really bad when I learned about abuse, and realized all the harm and suffering it was causing.]

The trauma was intense for a long time. Even though he was not around, he was still abusing me post divorce by manipulating and undermining the kids. So I do think we still cycled back through the belief that marriage is hard work and self-blame for a while.

6. When marriage is hard work, how do you get to Emotional Safety?

โ€ŠI want to educate women about abuse, so they can make informed choices. The abuse education I teach here at Betrayal Trauma Recovery. All of our coaches use industry standard abuse education, so we have the best support for betrayal trauma.

[It’s important to know what strategies to use, and our BTR Coaches will guide you through the process.

You define what safety means and answer critical questions: What will I do now that I understand the situation? How will I create a peaceful, emotionally and psychologically safe home?

These are the questions we’re asking. And we’re making the shift from believing marriage is hard work to recognizing and healing from abuse.

Recognizing Coersion

I mentioned coercion. Coercion in marriage is invisible. It can happen in various ways. What I talk about on this podcast often is when a man uses pornography or has an affair. Or has a secret life. He obstructs his wife from having the knowledge she needs to have a mutual relationship. So he uses psychological abuse, emotional abuse, gas-lighting, lying deceit to purposefully obstruct his wife from finding out who he really is.

This is coercion, because if she knew who he was, the likelihood of her consenting to intercourse is extremely low, and he knows that he’s well aware. So he obstructs her from gaining that knowledge, so she will continue to either have it with him or continue to be in a relationship with him. If you have been betrayed you are not alone.

Here’s an example of abuse that the public wouldn’t necessarily recognize as the abuse. But once you’re educated about it, you can clearly see it’s abusive.

Discovering Financial Abuse

This one is under the category of financial abuse. Let’s say there’s a woman named Rose. She’s lived a seemingly ordinary suburban life. She’s married to Tom, a well-respected local entrepreneur. To the outside world. They’re the picture of success, nice cars, a beautiful home, frequent vacations.

To their family and friends, Tom meticulously crafted a narrative that paints Rose as financially irresponsible. Insisting that he needs to take full control of their finances to protect her from her own poor spending habits. This seems reasonable to Rose at first.

She’s thinking, “Since I don’t know a lot about our finances, maybe I’m spending too much, so yeah. Of course I’m willing to work hard for the sake of our marriage.” As the months turned into years, decisions about money evolved into a series of overpowering restrictions that Tom imposes on Rose. Because she’s “irresponsible”.”

Marriage is Hard Work when His Real Goal Is Control

The thing is she’s not, and she never has been. They had a ton of money, so she could have gone out to lunch with her friends. She could buy clothes online. It wasn’t the lack of money that was the problem. The problem for Tom was that he found Rose’s independence and happiness, and all her friends, to be very threatening.

If he controlled her finances, he could start shutting things down. So as Rose’s access to money became limited, and discussions about budgeting were often framed as her “lack of understanding of their financial goals.” Which he never laid out for her, because he didn’t give her all the financial information.

When he did say we have this much money, it was a lie. So whenever she would question the restrictions, he would gently remind her of all the times she’s failed to manage the money wisely. Which by the way, she wasn’t allowed to manage. Highlighting her mistakes, which weren’t actually mistakes.

In Rose’s case, she starts to think she’s stupid, and finds herself increasingly isolated and unable to make financial decisions.

Here’s another example.

Financial Abuse Example: Eliza and the Engineer

Eliza is a successful attorney targeted by a financial abuser for her money. He lies to her about being a successful engineer. He’s like, “Hey. I’m super successful, too. Awesome. We’d make a good pair.” He covers up the fact that he had a low wage job with mountains of credit debt.

Then once they get married, he tells her that he lost his job because of cuts. She doesn’t know that this job never existed. Then he begins opening up new joint credit cards without her knowledge, and racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt that Eliza is on the hook for.

No one else finds out that he lied about being a successful engineer. No one would approach this as financial abuse or fraud, since they’re married.

Psychological Abuse and Gaslighting

When it comes to psychological abuse, gaslighting and other tactics intended to alter a victim’s reality.

Psychological abusers are willing to lie and also deny truth to your face to purposely deceive you. Lying is emotionally abusive.

They want to live that double life, and their willingness to deconstruct their victim’s identity through lying and gaslighting is shocking. Emotional abuse is intended to exploit and manipulate a victim’s emotions for gain. Trying to make someone depressed, sad, feel bad about themselves undermines their self-confidence.

All forms of abuse, stem from an inability to have empathy for other people. Abusers have a core belief that other people were created for them to exploit.

learning from Sharing our Marriage Stories

I’m so grateful for women all over the world who are sharing their stories. They share how they unknowingly suffered from betrayal and emotional and psychological abuse.

If you’re interested in sharing your story, I would be honored to hear it. Email podcast@btr.org to set up an interview with me. At Betrayal Trauma Recovery, we approach this as a domestic abuse issue.

I always use gender-segregated language because our services support women who are victims of male perpetrators. I acknowledge that some women engage in unhealthy behaviors. Some women are abusive, but I create podcasts specifically for women abused by men.

Because of misogyny, we see the serious added burden society puts on women to repair the relationship or keep things together. Women are under intense scrutiny and stress.

[Patterns of misogyny exist in therapy and religion, in the court system and other institutions like imbalanced medical treatment for women, which makes it even harder for us to identify and heal from abuse.]

Time and time again, [when women discover their husbands’ lies, betrayal, and deceit, often just after having a baby, during a holiday while hosting, or right after their children leave for college, their identities and bodies change drastically. And it continues throughout their lives as they navigate perimenopause symptoms.]

So, we focus on building a life of safety for ourselves, mentally and emotionally. That is when our healing can begin.

Strategies for healing from the belief that marriage is hard work

Part of that healing is learning strategies for interacting that are effective, that create an emotional and psychological safety barrier between you and the abuser. I know we can heal, I feel so much better now. But I still have good days and bad days, some days where things really hurt.

A bad day doesn’t mean you failed to “do the work” or need to forgive. It shows that an old injury feels sensitive today. Hidden abuse exists, causing emotional and psychological injuries. We can heal from them by using strategies and seeking the right kind of help.

I woudn’t call this the hard work of marriage, but I would call it the hard work of healing from emotional and psychological abuse.

Betrayal Trauma Recovery Support

At Betrayal Trauma Recovery, we walk with you every step of the journey. So if any of this feels familiar, if you felt despair, if you sought help and didnโ€™t receive it, if you try to figure out whatโ€™s going on and keep hitting dead ends, we are here for you.

The reason I started podcasting, the reason we started Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group Sessions. The reason we started educating women about abuse on social media and through this podcast. It’s because we’ve been through it ourselves.

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    1. Trying to heal from his hidden abuse. It’s the worst.

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      • oh my! Where do I begin? BTR.ORG is an awesome educational read for me. I guess I am never realized that a healthy marriage wouldn’t require the work of becoming educated about abuse.

        My husband of 30yrs is an addict and I just found it out 11 months ago from a best friend that called and told me my husband and she had been messaging for 7-8 months to the point she lost her job talking to him so much. She said it got so nasty and degrading that she so ashamed and had to tell me.

        I think that took so much courage for her to do and because she did I now understand that what I thought was just an awesome life at 53yrs old was just a lie. And then she exposed him and it’s been a living in HELL ever since!

        I’ve been an emotional wreck, I no longer feel pretty or even longer for by my husband, his affairs with younger women have had me arrested for cyber stalking when I confronted one regarding an affair with my husband. I then lost my job, health coverage for our whole house (me hubby and 3 daughters) for not much a month to cover us all, I list friends and family, my self worth and I hurt physically all over my body.

        My mother died in 3yrs at only 66yo from cancer, then my father died 1 1/2 yrs later and then I have pretty lost husband whom I thought was my best friend BFF but turns out to be my worst enemy! I can’t begin to describe what I am going through, but I can tell you I feel no love from anyone. I am completely ignored now, with barely any acknowledgement that I’m alive much less shown any empathy remorse or compassion for my feelings and devastation of my life.

        So please keep posting and informing about this! I have to reached to all these “advocates” that are supposed to be there to help but there is no one to help financially get out and pay Lawyers. I have had thoughts of suicide and other dark thoughts but was raised better than that. But I AM SO SAD AND LONELY AND BROKE!

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      • I have been in an abusive relationship for 5 years, I was with this guy when I was a teenager and the too he was abusive towards me.

        I got out when my abuser verbally attacked me in a store with false allegations. We had two daughters. I didn’t know he was cheating with multiple different women when I got pregnant with our third (a son). The emotional abuse was my fault for asking questions. I got pregnant again. I still suffer after all I have tried to do to help him after everything I’ve managed to push to the side and it hurts. Every complaint he has made about me I have strived to correct and fix, all of it but its like nothing works he still disrespects me and now claims I’m no longer worth respect. I’m a total mental wreck!

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    2. โ€œdrug addicts abuse drugs, alcoholics abuse alcohol, and addicts abuse people. Thatโ€™s what they abuse. They are abusive in their behaviors. They are abusing other people.โ€

      I agree with this completely! Because these kinds of activities can be hidden (compared to alcohol or drug use that can be witnessed by other people) & deception occurs, those activities (infidelity, online behaviors, masturbation, etc) are incredibly abusive to all persons: the perpetrator, the victims. My husbandโ€™s online behaviors are abusive to me, and it feels like nobody understands that. Heโ€™s a covert narcissistโ€”he hides it so well from everyone else, but I see it. The lying, the secrecy, the blamingโ€”itโ€™s all part of the abuse. I donโ€™t know why the counseling professionals wonโ€™t confront this. Itโ€™s like they tiptoe around it instead of calling it what it is.

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      • I don’t know why counselors won’t address this type of emotional or psychological abuse or sexual coercion either. That’s why we started Betrayal Trauma Recovery! I so appreciate your comment!

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    3. Hello,
      I started listening to your podcast. You have been a life saver. I would tell my ex, “You’re abusing me.” He would say, “no I am not.” I have been learning a lot through your podcast and so many terms. I’m mad that I spent so many years thinking marriage was hard work, only to find out I was just being exploited by an abusive man. I’m so grateful that you’ve helped me see the light.

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      • I’m so glad you found us! I’m so sorry you’re experiencing emotional abuse.

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    4. It is a really interesting distinction between emotional and psychological abuse since it’s all hidden abuse. I’m still digesting the abuse part, but notice that my ex husband has evidence of both.

      It’s been 2 years since the truth was revealed that he was an online infidelity addict for our entire 34 year marriage. It has been one year since we divorced. I gave him a year to commit to recovery, and we established some benchmarks to allow him to come back home. He was not inclined to do them. We had an amicable divorce, but he continued to manipulate my emotions. We considered reconciliation until I found out he was still engaging in online infidelity so that option was off the table. I can’t help but wonder if he is a psychological abuser as he has not changed his destructive patterns that I noticed during our marriage. He is like a runaway train that jumped the tracks. I am still in the healing process…

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      • Thank you so much for sharing. I’m so glad you found us!

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      • Hi, Such an intelligent comment you obviously treated your husband with kindness and he showed no respect towards you. Your story sounds very similar to mine. Iโ€™m trying to be reasonable but feel I canโ€™t get past all the hurt.

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    5. Hi, this page has been very helpful to me, for dealing with my divorce, however I was wondering if there is something available which is catered to men. My knowlegde is limited but as the page seems to be aimed at women (which I understand because men and women are different thus have different needs in dealing with abuse), perhaps someone could recommend me a similar page/article which focussed on how men can learn how to recognise and deal with abusive behaviour of their partner.

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      • Paul, thanks for visiting! Yes, this site is specifically for women who have been harmed by men. But, sending you good vibes for your healing nonetheless.

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        • Iโ€™m dating a man who started his addiction to online infidelity for 17 years prior to meeting me, but is in recovery now. I donโ€™t think Iโ€™ve experienced hidden abuse from him, but maybe Iโ€™m kidding myself? Iโ€™m trying to educate myself before marriage because I donโ€™t want to end up making a choice I regret. Are all users of online exploitation abusive in some way?

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          • Yes, it’s our view that online exploitation is abusive of people – but also abusing the people around you so you can use through lying, gaslighting, etc. If he does not use exploitative materials anymore in any way shape or form, doesn’t view women as objects, is completely honest, transparent, able to be empathetic, takes you seriously as a person, etc, etc, I would even go so far as to say that he is now a feminist who actively does everything he can to promote the safety of women, then yeah, he’s not abusive. But if he’s still gaslighting, manipulating, lying, then no. If he’s doing that you’re currently being abused. This article may help you: How Do I Know if My Abusive Husband Is Changing?

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    6. Iโ€™ve been seeking help and everyone tells me, “Oh heโ€™s not that bad. You need to take accountability for YOUR actions.” Thereโ€™s no true support for emotional abuse. If I was an emotional abuser, Iโ€™d have everyone by my side.

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    7. I found BTR post separation. I had not realized I was dealing with an abusive partner until after he terminated the relationship abruptly.

      I felt bullied and thought the way he spoke to me was emotional abuse way back in 2016. But I brushed his bad behaviour under the carpet, ignored red flags.

      Forgave him for infidelity believed it was a mid life crises.

      When the reality was I was being emotionally and psychologically abused. Manipulated and gaslit.

      Awakening happened two weeks after he left. October 2020, that caused me immense trauma.

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    8. I desperately need help and I have absolutely no one to turn to, not a single soul to talk to, nothing. Iโ€™ve not had a conversation with someone besides him in almost 3 years. Please help me. Please someone tell me Iโ€™m real, Iโ€™m a person, love exists, my life matters, and that there is a way out for me. I donโ€™t see nor have I seen any of that in years and Iโ€™m terrified to my core; terrified to move the wrong way, say the wrong words, to upset him, even just to wake up is terrifying. I donโ€™t see a way out, no one believed me and now I have nothing, no one, not two red cents to rub together. Iโ€™m not a person anymore. Idk what to do. I donโ€™t see a way.

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      • Melissa, I see you! There is a way. Believe. There are so many of us who have felt as you do. Believe there is a way. We’re here for you!!!

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    9. It is interesting the “two to tango” belief since there are so many books written for businesses that explain how one highly skilled and toxic person can take down a business. They are hired because they are thought to be a star. But soon you learn they are not a team player, divisive, egotistical, and can’t take feedback, etc. So, these books teach you to recognize this and not hire this kind of person no matter how talented.

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      • I think this says a lot about misogyny. The business books were likely written about men for men, protecting men from men. But apparently women (wives) don’t need to protect themselves from their husbands?? She basically hired him, but now she’s never, ever, ever supposed to fire him??

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    10. How do you know what is normal? I discovered probably 10 years ago he was looking at things he shouldnโ€™t. When I confronted him, he said it had nothing to do with me and he was getting help. Iโ€™m not sure what the help was. Periodically since then I suspected he was still at it. He works in IT so knows how to cover his tracks. He always searches in private mode but once in a while he forgets. I found a search history that had pay sites about five months ago. I didnโ€™t say anything. Last week I found a note on his iPad with saved sites from the last ten years and a month ago being the most recent. I confronted him and got the same story. He loves me, he gave me his iPad, which whatsoever that was symbolic I think.

      But now Iโ€™m realizing itโ€™s not just this. Over the years, heโ€™s hidden so much from me. Heโ€™s shut me out emotionally, made me feel like everything was always my fault if I was upset. Heโ€™s charming to everyone else, but with me, I feel like Iโ€™m invisible until he needs something. I look back now and see how much of his behavior was controlling or dismissive, and I didnโ€™t even realize it at the time. Iโ€™m dying inside and he just goes back to normal life.

      Iโ€™m at a loss. I donโ€™t want to blow up my whole life, 35 years married, five kids and 10 grandchildren. I listened to some of the podcasts but everything is talked about so generally I donโ€™t know what things should actually look like for healthy. Please post anonymously.

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      • Yeah, it’s really hard to tell. We’ll be updating our Living Free Workshop for married women (right now it’s geared toward separated or divorced women) on October 12. (But the strategies apply no matter what you’re situation) So I’d recommend starting there. btr.org/livingfree

        In the meantime, I recommend our daily group sessions or individual sessions to help you sort all of it out. We’re here for you!

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    11. My ex husband lies to me about a woman he had been seeing for a while. He tried sleeping with me and when I said no he said he would be trying harder. When I found out three days later this other woman was in his car when they were dropping off my son to his daycare. I called him and told him about it, he gaslight me and said the daycare was wrong and he didnโ€™t know what I was talking about and that it was his guy coworker. This woman doesnโ€™t know he tried sleeping with me with every intent to keep doing it until I found out about this

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    12. Iโ€™ve been married for 14 years, 2 wonderful daughters. My marriage has been hard work since day 1. Only a year into our marriage my husband cheated (groping and then texting) with one of my close friends. At the same time, I discovered all kinds of hidden things heโ€™d been doing and lies about our finances. I was devastated, but he said it was a mental breakdown and heโ€™d recently recovered memories of past childhood abuse.

      So we went to therapy and the therapist was caring but never said his behavior was abusive. He went to recovery groups and his own therapy. He said it was the worst mistake of his life. We did well for a while and he hasnโ€™t cheated again. But over all the years since Iโ€™ve discovered so many hidden things heโ€™s been doing and every time he pledges to stop. Heโ€™s lied to me over and over about it. Heโ€™s also lied about money many times and spends for himself without restraint but questions me on things like Christmas gifts for our kids. Most of our years together have been up and down but with a lot of good times.

      Until the past year or so he has become what Iโ€™m seeing as emotionally abusive, controlling, paranoid, and intensely angry. Iโ€™ve supported him so much despite all his hidden behavior. His mom is now ill with cancer and the stress seems to have pushed him over the edge again. I feel exhausted, have anxiety, just a mess. I feel like the help I seek focuses on how I can โ€œcontrolโ€ my reactions and medicate myself to be less anxious.

      As a nurse, I know this is crap. My anxiety is a natural human response to what Iโ€™m dealing with. What I need is someone to confront my husband with how wrong his treatment of me is and I donโ€™t know if that will ever happen. All the things that are avoided are exactly what I need! Community pressure on HIM, accountability, and boundaries, support and someone to have my back.

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    13. Is it possible to talk to someone first before scheduling an individual session? I have some questions. Thank You!

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