Victims of betrayal trauma in marriage need a safe place to share their stories, ask questions, and receive trauma and abuse-informed answers that will help rather than harm. Too many women spend months, years, even decades isolated in their trauma. Or get help from therapists who don’t understand this type of emotional and psychological abuse.

Anne Blythe, founder of Betrayal Trauma Recovery, started Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group Sessions so that every woman, no matter where she lives, can have access to a supportive, compassionate, and trauma-informed community.

Nikki, a member of the Betrayal Trauma Recovery community, joins Anne on the free BTR Podcast to validate women all over the world (Nikki lives in Australia) as they seek help and support for abuse and betrayal trauma in marriage. Listen to the free Betrayal Trauma Recovery podcast, and read the full transcript below for more.

Anywhere You Live: Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group Is There For You

For years, Nikki’s husband betrayed her with his infidelity and consistent emotional abuse. Like many abusers, Nikki’s husband conditioned her to feel ashamed for needing help with betrayal trauma in marriage. Nikki explains:

I felt so deeply ashamed and hurt that I needed some kind of support and I just wasn’t getting it in the real world. When I came across the Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group it changed the way that I viewed my life.

Nikki, member of the Betrayal Trauma Recovery community

Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group Educates Victims About Betrayal & Emotional Abuse

Knowing that I am not alone and being informed are two gifts Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group has given me. Knowledge is power. Once you have power, you’re able to change the way that you operate. Change the way you do things.

Nikki, member of the Betrayal Trauma Recovery community

An integral part of building a foundation of safety and peace is education about abuse and betrayal trauma in marriage. When women learn about trauma and abuse, they can set and maintain boundaries and move toward healing.

Attending a Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group Session is essential, because victims can ask questions and get truthful and healthy answers. Victims can also process their betrayal trauma in marriage without judgment. As group members and Betrayal Trauma Recovery coaches validate and listen, victims are empowered to separate themselves from abusive behavior.

Attend today and begin your journey to safety as you receive the validation, compassion, and support you deserve.

Transcript: Betrayal Trauma In Marriage, When It’s Not Getting Better

Anne: Today we have a member of our community, we’re going to call her Nikki. She’s from Australia. Welcome Nikki. So, tell me your story. Did you recognize your husband’s abusive behaviors at first?

Nikki: Not at all. Goodness me, no. I was 15, just had my 16th birthday when I met my husband. I was in the UK. And we’ve been together ever since. I was six months pregnant with our first child. And he bought this little black bag home. And I hadn’t seen it before. We weren’t living together at the time. And he brought it back into my little flat, and being curious, opened it, and there was all this material in there, all this pornography. I was horrified.

And said to him, this is not what I want as part of my life. I knew this wasn’t what I wanted, and he said, “Oh, I’ll get rid of it, I’ll get rid of it.” And there were other bits in this bag, which just baffled me. I was just horrified, and the next day I went into labor because I was just that traumatized, I guess.

So from that point, it kind of never stopped. I would continually find magazines under the couch. I mean, we tried getting help before we’d gone to several pastors who were basically just more about the codependent model. But I’d done nothing except to protect myself and our children throughout our marriage and my betrayal trauma in marriage.

Anne: And try to protect your marriage, right? From the pornography.

Nikki: Yeah, and I didn’t want our children to spend time with me and then time with him, because he’d gone down the rabbit hole. I didn’t want there to be a point where he was left with them alone.

Life in Australia, Lack of Support & Self-Education

Anne: Where do you live in Australia?

Nikki: I live in Melbourne, Victoria, but I’m from Tasmania.

Anne: Okay, how do you feel like the support is there?

Nikki: None, I have struggled to find anybody in this field that can help. So no, I never recognized the abuse, not until I started educating myself. And then it was when I came across the Betrayal Trauma Recovery Facebook page that I knew that what he was doing was abuse, and I was experiencing betrayal trauma in marriage.

Anne: Before you found BTR, when you were trying to get help, what types of things did you do to try and like, improve?

Nikki: Yep, I thought if I looked better, if I tried harder, if I loved him more, you know, I learned the love languages. I was always trying to improve myself, and even going to counseling to try and improve something. Yeah, I took it on board, but I think that’s much more to do with how I was raised to be a better wife. And then he wouldn’t do this thing.

Anne: So you knew about the porn. Did you recognize the other types of abusive behaviors, like lying, manipulation, and gaslighting as betrayal trauma in marriage? Could you identify those back in the day? Or did you not realize all that was going on too?

Nikki: I knew there was lying and manipulation. Because that kind of goes hand in hand with sneaky behavior, doesn’t it? Yeah, it wasn’t until the internet came about and you could Google this kind of stuff that I became aware of it. It wasn’t until much later in our marriage.

Realizing Common Advice Doesn’t Work With Betrayal Trauma In Marriage

Anne: So when did you realize that common marriage advice, look good, love, serve, forgive, make sure dinner’s on the table, make sure the house is clean, you know, that sort of thing? And when did you realize that common marriage advice was not working and that the betrayal trauma in marriage was not improving?

Nikki: Probably about 20 years ago.

Anne: And how long have you been married?

Nikki: We’ve been married about 27 years.

Anne: Okay, so seven years in, you realize, wait a minute, this isn’t working. What helped you realize that?

Nikki: I think it was shortly after we’d had intercourse, and I walked in and found him looking at pornography. I actually thought he deliberately tried to hurt me.

Anne: And when you thought that, he deliberately attempts to hurt me, you also didn’t think abuse way back then.

Nikki: No, not at all. It’s only the abuse part has been, I think, the last six years that I’ve seen his actions as being abusive.

Anne: Why do you think it takes so long for victims of emotional and psychological abuse and this type of sexual coercion to understand the reality of their situation.

Nikki: Trauma, I think our brain sits in trauma because the person you most trust, the person you think will never hurt you, is doing it.

And I think it’s protection. I mean, I can’t speak for everyone, I can only speak for me. Because whatever your circumstance is, there’s a part of you that needs to protect your own mind and yourself. Sometimes it’s about time. Your brain or your body is just not ready to realize that this is what it is.

Crisis Point & Finding Betrayal Trauma Recovery

Anne: There’s also this education factor. You don’t have an abuse class in high school. Along with math and English, right? So many people think they understand abuse because they’ve seen a TV show where a guy beats up his wife, and they’re like, that’s what abuse is. And they don’t recognize all the different covert ways with which you can be abused with betrayal trauma in marriage.

Nikki: I think it’s the gaslighting as well. Because it’s been so long in my marriage. It’s like, oh, no, I must have misunderstood what he said. Oh, no, he’s right. I’ve got that wrong. Oh, okay. I thought you meant this, but you actually meant this way. Oh, all right. So you’re second guessing yourself all the time.

Anne: What were you looking for online when you found Betrayal Trauma Recovery on Facebook?

Nikki: I hit a crisis point. The crisis point brought me to the fact that I was trying to seek some kind of support basically anywhere, because here in Australia it’s like, oh you’ll be right mate. So whoever you spoke to thought you were being prissy. It just wasn’t cutting it. I just felt so deeply ashamed and hurt that I needed some kind of support and wasn’t getting it in the real world. So when I came across the group, it changed the way I view my whole life.

Anne: So you started attending the Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group sessions, can you tell us about your experience?

Knowledge Is Power With Betrayal Trauma In Marriage

Nikki: Knowing that I’m not alone. Because I’ve always taught our children that knowledge is power. Once you have power, you can change the way you operate, change the way you do things. So for me, that’s been the greatest thing, being informed. And then being able to research that and having the facts behind it. Which has been a great thing.

Anne: Being educated brings so much confidence in dealing with betrayal trauma in marriage. Because the gaslighting, you’re like, Is this me? Is this real? What’s going on? And if you don’t have words for it, you can never fully define it to someone else. And so, they’ll give you typical things, like, Well, you just must be stressed.

Or maybe, don’t worry, it’ll get better. Things like that. Because you’re not able to say what’s happening with betrayal trauma in marriage. So getting educated, you can actually talk about it. Having words to describe it immediately helps people understand what’s happening. It also helps victims understand what is going on. Because there’s so much confusion.

Nikki: Yeah, for me, what I’m experiencing now, because I’ve been in this for a long time. And there’s been a lot of game playing. on his behalf, and I’ve just realized my body is actually physically, it’s started coming out. I’ve developed really bad tinnitus, which is a physical representation of what’s going on in the outside world.

Betrayal Trauma In Marriage Has An Impact on Physical & Mental Health

Nikki: And also, I find my brain is not working the same. As I’ve got older. And I think that’s because of the trauma that’s gone on throughout our whole marriage and childhood. My brain’s got to the point where it’s like, I don’t want to work anymore. I don’t want to hold this memory, or it just phases out or disassociates, which I know is part of the trauma. But it’s frustrating.

Anne: I can imagine. How old are you now?

Nikki: I’m 47. We have five children. They’re all adults now. Thank you, God, they survived. They’re pretty good people, but we’ve got four boys, one girl. And my children growing up, they’d ask him a question, and he wouldn’t respond. They’d always be, Oh, we’re going to go to the sensible parent. Meaning that we’re gonna go see mum.

Anne: He wouldn’t respond because he was distracted or he just couldn’t focus?

Nikki: I don’t know if he didn’t know the answer. So he didn’t want to look silly, so he’d muck about. Because I think his pornography stunted his intellectual growth. He must have been about 14, I think. And I always developed critical thinking in our children. You know, I told them to think about the wheres, whys, and what fors of any situation.

And because he didn’t develop that skill, the children kind of overtook him in their thinking and emotional development. He just really frustrated them.

Anne: That makes sense. In terms of Betrayal Trauma Recovery, the education and support you’ve received helped you make different choices about how you interact with him.

Taking My Power Back With Betrayal Trauma Recovery

Nikki: I no longer buy into his BS. Like, if I ask him a question and I know he’s done something, I know that whatever comes out of his mouth will be a lie. I state my case, I drop it, I walk away, and I allow him time to be truthful, and no longer check up on him, because I found that, oh my goodness me, it was driving me nuts. I felt like I was chasing my whole life, and I was trying to catch him out playing detective, and it just doesn’t work.

It just, for me anyway, and I understand there is some control, especially early on when you’re still buying into the gaslighting. But now I’m at a point where it’s like, you know what, you do you. I’ve gone out and I’m back in to work full time. I’m just living my life. to the best of my ability. And the group, like the conversations in the group, and the information in the group, helped me see that.

And so yeah, I’m grateful for that, because it’s given me my life back, and enabled me to take my power back as a woman, if that makes sense.

Anne: It makes sense. So we talk about boundaries with betrayal trauma in marriage a lot at Betrayal Trauma Recovery and in the BTR group. Many people who don’t listen to the podcast, I would say, or misunderstand what we do, accuse me of being pro divorce or a man hater or something like that. Or that Betrayal Trauma Recovery is just a place where if you go there, you’re going to end up bitter and angry.

Boundaries & Misconceptions With Betrayal Trauma In Marriage

Anne: You are still married. Would you speak to that a little bit and talk about how do you see Betrayal Trauma Recovery? Like, I see us as a safety first organization, right? Your safety is the most important thing, and you can figure out what that looks like in your own life. But could you talk to that point?

Nikki: I’ve never seen you say get a divorce or be a man hater. You lay the facts out as they are. Whatever a woman does with that is their choice, their option. Yeah, what you promote though is, are you safe? Are you okay?

Anne: We have to walk this fine line, because when we talk about abuse, many people want to say, well, you should only encourage them to leave, like immediately.

Then there’s the pornography addiction recovery people. They’re like, no, you should be nice and understanding. Don’t shame them, don’t make any decisions. And know they’re sick. And how can you help them? So we’re not on that side for sure, but I’m right in this section where I want to give people correct information and say, your safety is the most important thing.

And I am not living in your shoes. I’m not living in your home. I don’t know all your specific circumstances. So I trust every woman, every victim, to make. The best decisions about her particular situation. So I think that’s one thing that I’m wondering is, do you feel supported in your circumstances and where you are right now in the Betrayal Trauma Recovery group? Do you feel accepted for the decisions you’re making?

Complexities Of Abuse Will Cause Confusion

Nikki: Yeah, people will always speak from their own inner knowledge or feelings, I think. So whatever you put out on a group. Expect that response from that aspect. You take what you can and leave what you don’t need.

Like you said, you’re the only one who knows what’s happening within the relationship. So yeah, I feel supported because I take what I need from it, because I am the only one that knows what’s happening and why I stay within my marriage. We’ve got a lot of financial obligations together. You know, we still have grandchildren that would visit, Grandad, and I’d much prefer to be around.

So I know why I stay within my marriage. And I think it’s up to every individual person to make that decision.

Anne: People who haven’t been through it, or people who have, I mean, it’s just a lot more complex than I think anybody can even wrap their head around. It’s such a complex situation and it unfolds over time. So not everything can be decided in a split second.

Nikki: Everything feels split second when you’re in it though, doesn’t it?

Anne: It does. And it feels like you have to, it feels like you have to decide or know everything. There’s this overwhelming desire to resolve things as quickly as possible, whatever resolution means or whatever fixing it means, but it’s impossible to resolve or fix quickly, right? This is a very, very long-term complex problem.

Nikki: You know, we’ve found a therapist, we’ve thrown all the money we can at him.

Anne: So you’re still with a man who’s continuing to exhibit emotionally abusive behaviors.

Future Hopes To Make The Best Of My Life

Anne: How do you feel right now?

Nikki: Oh boy, okay, so we’ve just had an episode, so everything’s a little bit raw for me just now. Because he’s what I think of as a surface person. He wants everything to look great on the outside, that everything’s going well, and that he’s doing underhanded things, and he gets off knowing that he’s getting away with it. So when he becomes overly nice, I then become on guard, and I wait for the next influx of abuse, emotional abuse.

He doesn’t yell, he doesn’t do any of that, he just becomes very quiet. We had, we’ll say, six months of nice. And so I was waiting for it. So we just discovered, and so we’re just going through that now, and he hasn’t gone back to see his therapist. So he’s just waiting to go back to see her, but it’s difficult, because I don’t know what she’s saying to him, or whether he’s telling her partial truths.

Have I reached some kind of peace within myself? There is peace around our marriage and our life? No, there isn’t peace. I’m making do with what I’ve got because of circumstance. And that’s awful to say, because it feels like a half life.

Anne: Do you feel like you’re progressing toward something? Even though current circumstances are what they are? Do you hope for the future?

Nikki: I’ve got a lot of hope for my future, because I’ll make the best of my life no matter what. For our marriage and for us together, we will have to make a step either away, and I don’t think it’s going to be too long down the road. There will be a conversation with my grown children.

There Will Always Be Complexity With Betrayal Trauma In Marriage

Nikki: They know about his addiction. I just don’t think they realize how far he’s gone within that addiction. Yep, I’ve got peace in me, but within our marriage, not sure. We’ve got a few big decisions ahead of us, which will affect many outcomes for myself, my daughter, and him.

Anne: Well, that is what is so awesome. If I can praise Betrayal Trauma Recovery about BTR, is that we get it. We get it. We get how complex it is, we get that it takes a long time, sometimes. You know what the right thing is or what the thing is you want to do, not necessarily the right thing, but it’s not the right time or other factors, right?

There are so many complexities. And having someone who understands and be supportive is helpful. Should we call it that with a long-term trial like this? What should we call it? A long-term problem.

What would you tell other women? Let’s say what you went through in your early 30s, so if someone’s listening. And that’s where they’re at. Let’s say they’ve just discovered porn for the first time.

Nikki: Oh my goodness. I’m sorry this is your journey. Get help. Get immediate help. Find a good support network. Find somebody you trust. That you can tell absolutely anything to. And will not judge. And will just be there for you.

Find that one person. And walk beside them, and let them walk beside you. Because that’s the best thing you can do for you, to heal you. And know that it’s not your fault. Know that he made choices that have affected both of your lives. It’s just not your fault, though.

Knowing About Abuse Helps With Betrayal Trauma In Marriage

Nikki: And don’t try and fix him.

Anne: Oh, we’ve all done that.

Nikki: Yep, if we just do this, if I look a bit prettier if I wear this lingerie. If I do that risky behavior that he would like me to do, that’ll make him happy, and he won’t do it anymore.

Anne: When women go down that road, they end up doing it more. Or he wants it more, right? There’s no end to it.

Nikki: Oh, he wants a bit more freaky. The indulging of their immature behaviors, their man child silliness. And I think that’s something we don’t realize, isn’t it? Is it that they get themselves stuck emotionally at the age they start using? So what you’re actually doing is complying with a teenager, a child. And so, and what happens when a child doesn’t get what it wants?

It tantrums. And unfortunately, a man tantrum has a bigger impact, because they’re disposable, to play with like income or whatever it is, you know, that’s protecting the family.

Anne: Yeah, well, and also their tantrums are way more sophisticated, right? They might not scream, yell and punch the wall, although some of them do that. But their tantrum might look nice and kind when behind your back they’re spending $10,000 of their retirement.

Nikki: Yeah, or they’ve got a hidden phone, so they’re happy to show you the phone they’ve got. And all the while feeling proud of themselves that they’ve got a hidden phone, and that’s what gets them off.

Anne: Exactly.

When You Need Love, Go To Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group

Anne: Well, thank you so much for sharing your story and spending time with us today.

Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group is that amazing place where you can be yourself and understood. Is there anything else that you would like to share about the group or about BTR that you have found helpful?

Nikki: For me, in the early stages and now as sort of, I won’t say a veteran, but I’ve been there for a while. This is the place you go to when you need to feel heard, you need to feel safe, you need to reach out. You know, or you just need somebody to say, Hey, I’m here for you. Or you need to feel loved. Because this group, for me anyway, has provided that. Get in contact. You know, try and join the group, because it’s just, if you want to feel loved, this is where it’s at.

Anne: That’s good to hear. Betrayal Trauma Recovery is love. They can make choices due to that love and confidence to get them to safety. That’s the whole goal.

Nikki: To know you’re not alone and that the crazy making that happens, sometimes this group, has helped me unravel that craziness. This is going on, and in your head, because they’ve gaslighted you so much, you’re forever double guessing your own mind, to notice that you go in there and somebody says, yep, that’s normal. My husband does that.

It’s like, it’s what they do, it’s one of their little tactics, and you just come away thinking, Oh, okay. And you can take a big sigh of relief to think, Oh, I’m not that crazy after all.

Betrayal Trauma Recovery Is A Cool Club To Be In

Anne: Yeah, no, you are not. You are beautiful, amazing, competent woman. It’s a cool place to be, right? It’s a cool club to be in. With all these awesome women. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to share your story today, and we’ll see you in Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group.

Nikki: Thank you, Anne.